#sui-baiting is another

[linklethehistorian]

linkle i must confess something what if i told you bully anon nd person who sent the ask u JUST responded 2 are irl wives.......

except bully anon is also verlainewednesday AND my wife ghost wrote the iconic evil box post...

I fear it started as a parasocial thing your content was absolutely flabberghasting but Ive been following your blog for so long I might be an unironic fan not of cherish or your art or any of your ships i still think those are insane,,, but of you as a person </3

keep it up or smth idk

-your #1 fan

Also earlier message:

Hi hi hi! Nice to see you today, obsessed parasocial anon, my beloved! 💕💕💖💖

Oh my 🫢 That’s great, those two are super cute together, love that for them. 🥰🥰🥰 I’m a bit surprised to find verlainewednesday is involved, since they’ve sent me such lovely, cute little asks in the past and overall seem like such a sweet person. 💖 It seems so out of character they could be such a vitriolic person. :(( But then, bully anon has been very sweet and good to me since their change of heart so I guess it doesn’t matter much. 💖💖💖💕💕

OMG tho! Would you happen to be a friend of theirs, then? You seem to know them v well so you must be. Hello, friend of my haters/friends! 💖💖💖💕💕

I am a little confused tho 🤔 You say evil box anon was written by your wife, but I know that can’t be! I just reached out to the author of said post (we’re buddies!) and they said this:

So as you can see, not only are they not your wife nor did your wife write or have involvement in writing the evil box post, but also I find y’all are sending sui-bait to them AND another friend of mine (you know who it is >:(( )??

If y’all really do like me as a person — and I find that sweet, would love to be friends with y’all if that’s your intention — this sui-baiting thing’s gotta stop. Come on guys, you can dislike my stuff and that’s fine — if it’s not for you, it’s not for you — but if you wanna remain on speaking terms with me, you gotta quit the nasty bully behavior and start being sweeter. I genuinely get a kick and a high out of the silly hate 💕💕💕💕 it motivates me!!! 💖💖💖 like fr, I wasn’t joking about the album of your messages lolol, such a high to know people are so invested in me, but you start treating my friends like this and suddenly I won’t feel so bad about cutting you off.

Also thanks, my stuff is absolutely awful and insane — awfully, insanely awesome! 😎🥰💖💖💕💕 I’ll def keep it up

[pollyanna-nana]

Hey. Why are so many younger people on this site suddenly so comfortable with telling people to “kys” or generally sui-bait people. Like I get the urge to say that sort of thing to horrible bigots but I thought we all agreed a long time ago that you never do that no matter who you’re arguing with? Like it’s not fucking okay and you need to cut it out? Like seriously I’m kind of at my limit with some people on here especially when they say this casually to like. Fandom opinions they disagree with. It’s not cute or funny and never has been.

[kuramirocket]

It makes me laugh and a little nervous that at least two antis have interacted with my posts. Granted, it was non proship posts so unless they looked at my bio they wouldn't know I am a proshipper. Especially since I don't really use a 'antis dni' on my stuff unless I make a post specifically about proshipping stuff to go in the proship tags for the community.

I appreciate the interaction, but considering how hostile most antis are, yeah.

It's a shame to cut potential interactions; with people liking and maybe actually reblogging my original posts, but I also don't want to get harrassed and deal with that bs, u know.

[carrieway]

what is going on in the house of commons

[am-i-the-asshole-official]

AITA for ignoring my friend's trigger of toxic positivity to calm down another friend? TW for mentions of sui baiting.

I have two friends, one I'll call C and one I'll call N. C has repeatedly told me that some of my behaviors are triggering to them when it comes to toxic positivity - when I try to uplift every bad situation or mediate any time people are angry it makes them anxious and on-edge. Due to some of their past life stuff I understand why, and this is in NO WAY trying to shame their triggers.

N plays a lot of video games that tend to make him angry (League, Overwatch, Fortnite mostly, but some others) and when he gets angry it triggers me (lots of yelling and swearing) and even going as far to tell the other team to kill themselves. While he doesn't type that or say it in team vc, he does say it in Discord calls he's in with me and other friends.

I tried telling N to not say those things, one because it's just shitty to do in general, and two, because it can be a really triggering thing for some people including myself. C jumped on me saying that I'm being too toxically positive and I need to let N vent his frustrations about games, and as long as he isn't saying slurs or anything that he should say what he wants. He also told me to manage my own triggers, if N shouting these things bothers me I should leave call.

One day I still did it because I was tired of being triggered and N is younger so I don't want him thinking that's fine to just say to people, because I know eventually he'll say that around the wrong people and it'll REALLY not go well. C was in call and blew up at me for it (though since C was triggered and having a trauma response I understand not being calm about it) and calling me controlling, that not everyone has to act the way I want, etc. Nobody else was in call but they've heard and seen C call me out for trying to calm down or lift up spirits of others before.

I thought C was in the wrong for telling me I'm being overly positive and controlling for telling N to stop telling people to kill themselves in games, but the more I think about it, the more worried I am that I am the asshole for ignoring the fact C was in call and it could trigger them, and that I was prioritizing my triggers over theirs, and it's starting to build up an emotional barrier between me and C because I get worried I'll slip up and do something to upset them again.

AITA for this?

[chocolatepot]

While I'm ranting about fandom, I have really mixed feelings about posts that are like "back in the day, we never cared about what anyone else was doing and you could write/draw/ship whatever you wanted with no backlash."

Because on the one hand, yeah, there was a much higher tolerance for dark content 10+ years ago, and I do miss that. Antis are bad, sui-baiting people for drawing cute art on one account and NSFW on another is bad, whump is excellent and I wish there were more of it.

On the other, said tolerance didn't exist everywhere and you're kidding yourself if you think it was a fandom-wide virtue. Ship wars were vicious and frequently involved judging female characters as sluts unworthy of $hero because they'd kissed another guy onscreen one time. There were plenty of places you weren't allowed to write anything but fluffy canon het or get judged. I think it mainly feels like there was some golden time of everyone being Okay With Anything just because we didn't have these massive sites where you were rubbing shoulders with everybody. On LJ, it was very easy to just interact with the other people who liked the same stuff as you.

And also on the other, the rise of antis/criticism of dark stuff/etc. went hand-in-hand with the rise of social justice awareness in fandom, and I have strong memories of people really resisting any analysis or discussion relating to bigotry or subconscious bias in canon or fanon because get out of here SJW! It's all made up and meaningless! Pretty much everyone was sorted into either the social-justice-aware camp or the called-people-SJW-unironically camp, and the former was going to be critical of what message your fic or fandom participation was carrying (in terms of sexist tropes, ship statistics, and so on) while the latter was going to be hostile to you saying you were offended or disturbed by anything at all.

I remember one time toward the end of Fandom_Wank (after UnfunnyBusiness had been split off to talk about conflicts involving -isms because people had come to recognize that not all drama is equal) when someone brought up an old wank involving people upset that in a particular fandom's AUs, the characters of color would frequently be turned into literal animals while the white characters were still human. Originally, they had been mocked because this was obviously trivial and not racist, it was just random chance which characters got turned into animals, etc. But at that time, post-RaceFail, everyone agreed that it was really messed up. And that's what I think about every time the "people used to not care about what you wrote" topic comes up.

[cccat-in-a-meat-sack]

This is another PSA about radqueers

Do not, and I mean DO NOT, send them paranoia inducing asks, sui-baiting asks, s/h-y asks, etc. instead, inform them in a respectful way. Try to get them to see WHY being transx/radqueer is wrong, don’t just tell them it is. Don’t make them dig their heels in.

-Nova

[report-rqs]

Hello. This blog is dedicated to two important things:

Archiving examples of radqueers hurting people in undeniable ways.

When I say undeniable, I mean not things which can be argued to be just a lifestyle choice that seems weird and are discoursed over, like ships or kink choices. I'm referring to 100% advocating for child abuse, animal abuse, r*pe, p*dophilia, CSAM, inc*st, m*rder, s*icide baiting, attacking people of color, and so on.

Providing resources for people who want to fight against radqueers.

I believe the most effective way to stop radqueer idealogy from spreading is to not interact with them, but instead report them. I want to make it easier for us to do that by providing examples. I feel the only way to eliminate these predators' access to the internet is to go straight to the appropriate legal channels. Please feel free to @ my URL in any posts with receipts but please know that actual Tumblr posts or web archived links are very preferred over screenshots.

To all radqueers who are considering leaving the community: There is a safe space for you in the anti-radqueer community - yes, even if you disagree with what I just said, even if you <insert thing here>. Radqueers are not the only ones who will accept you. You can find a place to feel safe that isn't rife with predators and racists. There are safe spaces for you. You can send me an instant message with genuine questions, I will never attack or insult you!

Tags

general receipts tag

radqueer flags

emoji codes (dedicated Carrd)

radqueers being pro harassment

radqueers sui baiting, radqueers encouraging si

radqueers sexually harassing (anti radqueers)

radqueers telling others their trauma doesn’t matter radqueers encouraging/producing/posting CSAM

radqueers encouraging/being in inc*st relationships

radqueers encouraging sexual assault

radqueers encouraging adult/minor IRL relationships

radqueers encouraging zoophilia radqueers being racist

radqueers being ableist

radqueers disrespecting IRL celebrities

positivity for former/leaving radqueers

Important Links and Resources

general resources tag

Step-by-step guide on how to report "transharmful" types to Tumblr for violence

Guide/example of reporting a "transrace winterqueer" for racism

Example of reporting "transparasocial" for transphobia

Example of reporting a p*do on DeviantArt

Step-by-step guide on how to report radqueers for p*dophilia (Not finished yet)

Guide on how to report a radqueer's post/Rentry for stealing your flag [Not sharing publicly! Please send me an ask/IM and I will help you with this.]

The paradox of tolerance and other logical fallacies radqueers rely on

Big masterlist of anti RQ resources

Inc*st survivor resource masterlist

PTSD resource masterlist

Interesting terms which are much better than "transID" [Link updated 9/3]

Archive.org(extension), Archive.is(extension)(another extension)

Cybertip.org

Ic3.gov

Iwf.org.uk

Tips.fbi

Radqueerinfo.nekoweb.org

*This pinned post is a work in progress and may change.

If you're interested in joining my Discord about reporting RQs, please DM me.

[sanguinewolves]

pinned post! (pls at least skim it)

about me:

[plain text: “abt me” end plain text.]

-prns: he/him fag/fags ⚣/⚣s rot/rots

-age: 17

best friend: @endren :)

boyfriend: @hauntedestablishments <3

boyfriend 2 (platonic edition): @the-fag-with-the-swag :3

-heres my pronouns.page & heres my drawing box

-i draw ( @loverboydraws ) and write (https://archiveofourown.org/users/speakingofprettyboys) :)

-uhhhhh what else is there 2 say about me. im white im queer i like music. idfk 😕

tagging:

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#needs id/ids/vd/pt = posts that need image and/or video descriptions, or plaintext transcriptions

#ask me ask me ask me = ask games

#asks! = asks ive answered

#rambling = my original posts

trigger tags i use: “#flashing”, “#blood”, “#self harm”, “#​self harm mention”, “#sui mention”, “#food issues mention”, “#rb bait”, “bugs”, and “#unreality”

i also have tags for various ocs—im not gonna list them here but theyre all formatted as “#oc: [oc name]”. also tags for some of my friends and mutuals which will be name, url, or a shortening of the url

dni:

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-w*ncest, w*ycest, any kind of incest shippers

-bigots (including terfs/tehms/transphobes)

-ppl who believe that transandrophobia doesnt exist, that its possible for any trans person to be ‘transmisogyny exempt,’ or that transmisogyny doesnt exist

-ppl who dont want minors interacting w them (I AM 17 YALL..)

byf:

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-i reclaim slurs like faggot and tranny. i dont trigger tag for them. im not gonna trigger tag for them.

-i mass rb stuff pretty often

-if you reblog my personal posts without saying anything there’s a 99% chance you’ll get blocked.

where else to find me:

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my other acc: @loverboythrives

my other, other acc: @cowboyneutrality (currently not in use)

my cohost

also i have discord server for transmasc teens ‼️ (co-run by az, digs & me) (all genders can join but its transmasc focused)

& another discord server this one has no real focus

blinkies userboxes etc under the cut !! (flash warning)

[antiendovents]

Content warning for a very brief mention of Hitler, mentions of someone sui baiting, and mentions of autism fakeclaiming. There are also mentions of abuse, but nothing in depth or remotely descriptive.

Please stay safe <3

at the moment, our current host is a cc!wilbur soot introject. one that formed in the soothouse era. He is uncomfortable using fanart as a faceclaim and tends to use actual photos of the cc as that is what he is more comfortable with - that's him, that's how he looks. (He knows he isn't the actual cc, dw).

His pk display name has his name, pronouns, and emoji combo. Pretty.. pretty standard shit, honestly. He has set up the base account to be an extension of his pk. NONE of this is... uncommon behavior that we've seen in the syscord communities we've been in.

However, in the last week alone, he has been legitimately compared to ADOLF HITLER!! By a singlet who also claimed that DID wasn't an illness and that most people are fakers. another singlet in that server asked if we could split an alter for fun and if we could do that for them. Oh. By the way? We're Jewish. Openly Jewish. We have spoken about being Jewish in that server before. That was known information. yet that person still chose to call us. That. I'm thankful that Wilbur, while hurt, finds it an ironic twist of fate as there is a song by wilbur soot called screensaver where there is a direct lyric "call me Hitler, no one will notice the fucking difference".

Another singlet in a different server asked if he could change his name and icon as it is upsetting other members. That, despite the fact he hasn't DONE anything personally, he is triggering people. Just by existing. Also, apparently, just because he exists, he might support the abusive actions.

Now! The system server, that's the worst bit. Another member told us to kill ourselves for having our base account icon be cc!wilbur. The server staff did NOTHING to the member who has on more than one occasion outright bullied people, actively calling people freaks and telling people to kill themselves.

However, we got banned as wilbur stated he was uncomfortable using fanart as a faceclaim and that it would be more damning for his mental health. He even explained why he had changed the base account, as it was giving us active joy during a really hard time in our current life. That we can not help having an autistic special interest. We also got fakeclaimed on the autism front.

thats.. jeez. people really need to understand that introjects aren't their source and do not owe anyone complete source separation. those singlets sound-- horrible. being an introject of wilbur soot is not the same as being ADOLF HITLER!?!? that singlet just sounds stupid as well, because DID is a real disorder that many people have. the other singlet also sounds very fucking stupid because like-- he isn't his source and if people are genuinely triggered by wilbur soot then they're the ones who should be managing that, they shouldn't expect wilbur to change for them, thats just unrealistic. wilbur soot is not the first person to use the name wilbur, actually his name isn't even wilbur. this kind of logic is so stupid, like are you gonna go tell every single evan out there to change their name just because one evan committed an atrocity? no, no you wont.

and that server is just horrible because WHAT. they just let a member go around bullying others and telling people to kill themselves??? thats just stupid. we honestly hate syscord sometimes, that place is so toxic and they struggle to treat systems like regular people despite the fact half of syscord is made by systems. its really just horrible. also the fake claiming-- like really?? whats even the point of that?? autistic people cannot control special interests ((as far as i am aware)). honestly as long as you aren't giving wilbur soot money by streaming his songs / watching his videos then i think its fine ((try stick to watching reuploads of his stuff if possible because then it might not give him money,, i hope?? i don't really know how youtube works sorry))

[kindness-and-friends]

//a reminder to all underblogs: you can report and block anons. You still can't see who sent the asks but you can still report them for harrasment

Click the three dots above an anon message, and press report message. Click the something else and "im being harassed" (constant nsfw and sexual comments from the same anon can be considered harrasment, and a lot of sui bait is harrasment as well)

If we have another incident like the nsfw anon, you can click that button! If you block the anon it will remove all asks fron that anon out of your inbox

That is also a good way to see if it's many person being cruel and/or inappropriate, or if it's just one asshole

Yall probably already know this, but please just don't answer the asks and engage with them. Report, block, delete

Edit: By the way, sui bait is when you push and encourage someone to commit suicide. Due to me getting them at the beggining of this blog, I'll give ya some I got and some other examples

You should genuinely just kill yourself.”

“You’d be better off dead.”

“Just do it already!"

"Nobody cares about you. Just give up"

"Being blocked isnt enough, we need you dead."

And many more! Search up the term "suicide bait" if anything

[lizard12323]

The following is not directed at anyone BUT a person who as far as I remember is called lessliesass.

Just because I'm willing to help or/and give another chance then it does NOT mean that I think what you did wasn't wrong or that your whining and weird delusions of people giving a shit about what happened in the past

I'm trying to give you another chance, I really am, but you make it harder and harder every time I see what you say. I'm begging you to at least make me able to have a delusion that I can talk to you without your fucking excuses and possibly even sui bait

All I'm asking you to do is not be so sassy and salty over a thing that happened MONTHS ago. Yes I did say some shit that might've hurt you but you did the same which was the FUCKING CAUSE OF WHAT I FUCKING SAID.

I can try helping you but if you keep insisting on your bullshit while I'm trying to do so then I'm sorry but fucking BYE. I don't care what you do next, maybe your microwaves explodes? I won't give a shit.

Let me try understanding you, maybe I won't understand. Then I won't say anything but if you dare pulling your bullshit on me then I would love to leave you known as the problematic person.. Yet I won't. I will just leave you be, I will forget everything unlike you who's gonna be salty.

You really are just a minor inconveniece that I'm trying to help a bit.

[zmpl]

the state of the US is so incredibly scary for me but i’m too disabled to ever be accepted as an immigrant to another country it’s kind of sui bait for meeee

[pawphin]

pokemutuals interact at your own discretion. tw for racism, sui baiting, etc (sorry for the tonal whiplash this is not a normal occurence i promise 😐)

hi fame, just to get it out of the way: i dont hate you, but i hate what you did and the consequences your actions had on our friends. i really should hate you but im moreso confused as to why you think i would keep this away from the people that you hurt the most. you witchhunted "ash" to the point where he had to literally go into hiding. almost all of our friends remade their blogs just because they didnt want to be harassed by you and your twitter mob, the same twitter mob that sent racial slurs and suicide bait to "creana" and graphic images and descriptions of violent actions to another friend who was extremely triggered by it.

and honestly, i really shouldve been harsher with you after you tried witchhunting sun and i on twitter and spreading lies about us sexually harassing you with a png of a pokemon characters ass, to the point where we had to go private and i was scared for my life, but i dont like holding grudges. i havent thought about you in a long time and im glad you can look back at that time and reminisce, but i cant. you taught me that people could be unfathomably mean. and even in your apology you hide behind the fact that you were 16. "creana" "ash" and i were also 16. and its especially fucked that you went after sun and "apollo" when they are much younger than you.

i truly hope you have changed and that youre not just "clearing your conscience." ive changed a lot too, in good ways and bad ways, and it is hard. but im not going to be your friend again. sometimes the hurt is too much. i do wish you the best, and i hope this serves as a dose of reality. you dont have to be guilty forever, just accept that that was awful and find your people. (photos courtesy of blossy, TW: racism, sui baiting)

[heartshapedcreaturefromcriptoon]

Person clogging the tags: "I need more people to see this ..."

The This: "I'm WORRIED about Hazbin Hotel!"

Me: *laughs in 'I Survived The Star vs. The Forces of Evil Fandom' and shames the self admitted "click baity" commentator for being yet another grown adult male bullshit artist with a youtube partner checkmark who loves mixing their viviziepop commentary with clips of unrelated kids shows and Marvel and comparing Hazbin to Steven Universe, while he whines about the voice actors changing and Millie, because I know the REAL problem with this fandom is that much like Star vs. , it's essentially already been bronified and taken over by gamer incels who talk about cartoons too much and to the point where they're the only ones talking about Medrano's work, aside from like, one actually queer male Disney Adult who's honestly equally boring to listen to and distractingly just looks like Gay!Rob Walker, so like, any other video trying to talk about the *actual external issues* this fandom is facing, like the minors invading what is supposed to be ideally an adult space, harassment, death threats, and sui bait and bullying, gets boggled down by the fact that the majority of these videos that try to broach these subjects are being made by these disconcertingly right leaning creepy men who use all these random shooting games modded to have Hazbin and Helluva characters killing each other as a backdrop to these videos at worst, and at best they have a bunch of Disney Cars and Marvel clips at the beginning of their video while they sit there, surrounded by a bunch of Star Wars or some shit, and maybe some of us are just Adult Queer Femmes, trying to make Adult Spaces for ourselves outside what is ultimately a failed attempt at having what was supposed to be an "Adult Fandom"... But we still want to share our joys about Hazbin and Helluva with our adult queer/femme friends outside the fandom but we can't do that because any space to share any information about Hazbin and Helluva as projects or explain the controversy surrounding them, are just overrun with a bunch of chuddy click bait geeks who don't know what they're talking about and don't even know well enough not to use the dollar sign when they' try to trash Kesha for being a supposedly shitty voice actress because they have no personality outside of "critiquing' children's cartoons on their shitty YouTube channels and blogs and mixing all that in with Medrano's work like it's the same, to the point where some of you can't even handle swearing or being called pet names like "honey" even when you're a girl and it's by another girl, and so maybe some other adult queer femmes are just embarrassed to be around y'all and are just here for Medrano's art that y'all steal for your shitty blogs and monetized youtube channels instead of just making or using your own every time some new "content" comes out, and maybe some of us don't wanna be sharing your shitty "vivziepop drama explained" youtube videos with your shitty gamer shooter backdrop around in an 18+ adult space full of hot queer people who actually fuck, because maybe some of us are embarrassed about your cringe arses being the loudest voices "representing" the fandom and the environment you've created and vibe you've created in it, and for anyone on the outside looking in, for that matter, and maybe the problem isn't actually Medrano, but the "fandom" that thrives and makes money and gets notes off of feeding off of her "dramas" and nothing else, and maybe, this is the only REAL PROBLEM we have here that just wouldn't exist if we had more ADULT Queer and Femme people honestly covering Medrano's history and her work, instead of, whatever the fuck it is we have now... And maybe some of you need a motherfucking woman to tell you that.*

[ronin-deactivated19851026]

often times when i hear about some artist's name that winded up in some controversy, ongoing memes/harassment, or anything of that sorts, i may take a deeper look into it.

and more often than not, the person in question turns out to be:

in their late teens/early 20s; meaning they still didn't stop developing as a person (trust me, it's crucial). coming from an abusive, religious, restrictive, or otherwise traumatizing background. groomed as a minor or were exposed to sexual content in a way that clearly affected them negatively. maladaptive coping mechanisms, such as extreme dependency on the internet clout. have some developmental arrests, especially emotional kinds of. a part of a marginalized group, which adds more to the "insanity" of their traumatic responses and behavior.

... and nobody seems to question that explicitly? like, sure, some people say "get help" here and there, but it never goes beyond that. it's just constant baiting, harassing, twisting further what person said which, as one can expect, of course drives them even more insane. it's a never ending cycle, unless person is bullied off the platform/the internet, or in some cases offs themselves.

what bothers me even more is that people who claim to hate places like kiwifarms do exactly the same thing, fall for exact same trope of thinking, lack of analysis, sympathy, and in general are just prone to brushing off blatant victims of cptsd the moment they realize their trauma is "ugly" (same goes to mistreatment of cluster b btw) this is literally the monkey-brain level of tribalism, and it's not a good thing, just stop.

like. these call out posts and, granted, very shallow, nitpicky and generally low tier attempts at analysis are literally just kiwi/lolcow.farm threads 2.0, but this time this is excused because it's not associated with aforementioned websites.

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imma be real, i obviously don't really know what to do in these cases. especially when the person's behavior is completely out of hand. such as, pathological lying, sui baiting, self harm, etc. there isn't much you can do if you're miles away probably (though, as a trauma survivor that might have fallen down the insanity road when i turned 18, all it took is supportive friends and communities online that gradually helped me to stay sane and safe, so... who knows) i just sort of ignore people like this and try not to enable/trigger them further.

i'm thinking now that boundaries play a role here. a lot of people end up being abused by trauma survivors because they, themselves, have poor boundaries. that was the case with me too, and now i realize that maybe i could have helped them more if i had better boundaries and didn't let their antics get to me.

but anyway, stuff like this makes me think there's no hope nor place for trauma survivors. people are still largely ignorant on psychology and rely more on their knee-jerk reactions about events/people rather than stopping and thinking what is going on (bonus points if said people are also trauma victims, that's how you get never ending internet dramas lmao). cptsd victims, esp the longer they go untreated, unaccepted, misunderstood and ostracized, are the easiest target despite, for the most part, doing no harm. in retrospect, the harm they actually did was either something stemming clearly from mental issues, or something so... relatively mundane? i had some artists i used to follow and was disillusioned with them for one reason or another, and things they did made me angry at the time. but now i regret jumping on the bandwagon lmfao i kind of realized in retrospect that it was all some petty crap and definitely not something worthy of "cancelling" someone, it was just that typical weaponization of person's issues, thoughts, or even just neutral traits, which then was obviously met with them weaponizing their sui and self harm ideation in return. because that's what trauma survivors do. their emotions and behaviors are developmentally arrested.

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i'm thinking how the whole chris-chan saga is sort of like icon nowadays, and sometimes it's presented like the biggest, most documented online harassment campaign, along with chris being the most documented person online. it sounds big. epic, even. sometimes it even makes you think it's the worst case of online harassment.

... and yet, how do we define "worst"? what about the rest of people documented on kf/lolcow? what about people who ended their lives from being unable to cope with the harassment AND with themselves? is there a line? where is the line? when bullying, enabling, harassing, abusing is "safe and appropriate enough to do"? am i the only one seeing absurdity of this question?

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... i also can't stop thinking about how in most cases these people are from marginalized groups. i can't stop thinking how groups of ignorant, often seeking for some outlet, people are also acting like vigilantes when it comes to this enabling and/or harassment. is there a term cyberlynching? because it's literally what is happening. especially in most extreme cases when said "vigilantes" are pushing a clearly maladjusted person to suicide, probably knowing deep down that this person is weak and an easy target.